Today I want to return to a reading from last week’s Mass. No, but we will have a king over us: God will give Israel “their king” – Saul. Sin had infiltrated the kingdom. When Solomon was made king upon David's death, not a nation on the face of the earth would have considered attacking Israel. 1 Samuel 1, 8, 13, 15 Hannah didn’t have any children. This seems wrong. 1 Samuel 8:7-8 Israel had already deviated from faithfulness, but here, she formally rejects God as her Ruler, taking a major step toward being exactly like all the nations around her. (Judges 17:6)Four times in the Book of Judges we are told that "there was no king in Israel in those days" (Judges 17:6; 18:1; 19:1; 21:25), indicating that the book must have been compiled either by Samuel (the last judge) or someone else of his or a later generation. In 1 Samuel 8, Israel wants to install a king to make them like other nations. This occurred between 1100 and 1000 BC or roughly 350 years after the original making of the covenant. Question: Dear Rabbi Singer: I have been a Jewish Christian (Messianic Jew, meshumed, whatever) for 20+ years. Why doesn’t the cost matter to you? If we agree that God was so displeased that Israel asked for a king, do we have the right to say that God foreordained all along for Judah's tribe to take the throne (and use this as a premise)? Greed can turn a king away from God. Why, in spite of all these warnings straight from God, do you still want a king? The Cost of a King. But you still want a king. They wanted what other nations had. He reminds them that God didn’t want them to have a human king, that God agreed to their request for a human king, and then he starts this long identification process where he narrows things down by tribe, clan, family, and finally it’s time to say, "Heeeeere’s King Saul!" Even God’s judgment on evil should bring grief along with the joy of justice. God wants us to depend on him. Despite God’s warnings, they were adamant — enough with this judge stuff; give us a king! Ultimately? And many have walked away from the faith because of things like this. Joab, David’s general, strongly cautioned the King against it, but David insisted. They were plotting against Judah, Jerusalem and King Ahaz, in particular, but God said their plan “shall not stand, nor shall it come to pass” (verse 7). I have been attending a Conservative temple recently and my rabbi there lent me your tape series. God says, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked person should turn from his way and live” (Ezek. Unfortunately, ancient Israel forsook God, yet because of their opportunity to serve God, they often wrongfully thought of themselves as superior to other peoples. You may get a bad king. Thank you for your fair and even-handed presentation of both sides. God was their king… King: a ruler who answers to no one Lesson Outline Lesson Text Israel wanted a king. And the Isrealites said, nay, but we WILL have a king. Question: God has spoken through Samuel the prophet to tell the people of Israel that a king is going to be expensive - both financially and in terms of lost freedom. (2Ki 9:6) And he arose, and went into the house; and he poured the oil on his head, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I have anointed thee king over the people of the LORD, even over Israel. Saul enjoyed his popularity with the people, forgetting he had been appointed king by God. David Commands Israel Be Counter. It is this kind of a king that Samuel warns against in verses 11-18. They apparently overlooked God’s warning that they needed to obey Him and keep the covenant they had made with Him in order to be a “special treasure” to God “above all people” (Exodus 19:5). Shortly after his confirmation, Saul found himself staring down the Philistine army at Gilgal. The King the People Wanted. When we do not and rely instead on our own strength and wisdom, we open ourselves to disaster. Jehu executes the judgement, pronounced on Jezebel, by God, through Elijah Be cautious in what you ask for. Saul's first allegiance was to God, as is ours. The matter of Israel’s capital city has long been a source of dispute. God said He did not want the future kings to grow too rich-one way to to have a lot of horses. That was the core of their sin. Saul fell because he wasn't in right relationship with God. When the Israelites asked for a king in 1 Samuel 8, God says ‘they have rejected me from being king over them’ (verse 7). When Saul sinned by making a sacrifice to God that wasn't his to make: Then the Philistines gathered together to fight with Israel, thirty thousand chariots and six thousand horsemen, and people as the sand which is on the seashore in multitude. As the sole superpower in the region, wealth poured into Israel. When did God decide to remove Saul, Israel's first king, and raise up David in his place? That command was not for Israel, but for each specific king. Samuel has a "public announcement of the king" party for all Israel. In that reading (from 2 Samuel 24) we hear the story of how King David ordered a census to be taken. From then on, human kings didn’t stand a chance. In 1 Sam 10:7, Samuel tells Saul to do “as occasion serves him, since God was with him.” In 1 Sam 10:8 Samuel tells Saul to wait seven days. Lesson 17. If we want to understand the kingdom of God and live in peace in the midst of earthly kingdoms, we should start with an understanding that the God of the Bible is King, Emperor, and Lord. They thought God must be punishing her by not giving her children. God didn't want Israel to have a king because he was their king, but since the people longed for one, He had his prophet Samuel anoint a man named Saul as the first king of Israel. In particular, they want a king who will be a strong military leader (v. 20), an authority in competition with God instead of a servant of God. (See Deuteronomy 12:31.) This is an example of God’s providential concurrence in secondary causes. Indeed, death should not gladden our hearts. Hannah wanted a child so much. 33:11). In Bible times if a woman didn’t have children, people looked down on her. Saul got a raw deal. Though he continued to have many trials during his lifetime, King David became the greatest ruler of Israel! … Later, after “their king” fails, God will give Israel “His king” – David. Bible Answer: First, we will look at the historical event and then look at why God disciplined David. He built and fortified the land like no other king of Israel, and that included a large portion of the fortifications at Jerusalem. But what it boiled down to was, if they realized it or not, what they were saying was they didn't want God to reign over them; they wanted a king like others had. Of the three choices presented to David, the first two would have involved some level of dependency upon the mercy of man: the warfare, of course, would be as severe as the enemy wanted it to be; the famine would require Israel to seek food from other nations, relying on the pity of their neighbors. God eventually concluded that He should not have chosen Saul to be ruler over his people because he was not obedient to his commands. The Israelites asked for a king because it was God’s sovereign will that they should have one. "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes." For now, though, God would not just turn his people over to another human being, even if he were a king. Because they were insisting. Why would God’s people want a human king when they had the King of Heaven? Additionally, not only did God use Israel’s might to punish evil nations like these, He used the Babylonian, Assyrian, and Egyptian kings to punish Israel. The historical event is recorded in both 2 Samuel 24 and 1 Chronicles 21. The Earth, their delegated territory, was compromised. He governed over God's people for forty years, from 1010 to 970 B.C., then died at the age of seventy. So God gave them Saul. 4) rather than a Deut 17 king. Although nearly all foreign embassies in Israel are located in Tel Aviv, the country considers Jerusalem to be its capital. God also wants us to go to him for our sense of worth. King Saul had the look of a king, but it didn’t take long for him to show he didn’t have the heart of a king. Someday they would be sorry, but they would have to learn that the hard way. The biblical evidence leads to the conclusion that God did intend for Israel to have human kings. King David of Israel was "the head of the nations," and faraway kings he did not even know trembled at the mention of his name. God said, not yet. God will often use human forces to mete out His discipline. He disobeyed over and over and over, and did not repent. Because we suppose that God ultimately wanted Israel to be a monarchy (based on Deuteronomy 17:14-20). In 1 Sam 13:8 Samuel was late – Saul waited seven days – then made a sacrifice – to God! Israel Gets a King. It was just too strong. The reality is that God didn’t justify His actions with a reason, nor does He have to. They were turning against God himself instead of Samuel. Isaiah 43:15 “I am the LORD, your Holy One, Israel’s Creator, your King.” In Exodus 19:5-6 God told Moses “Now if you obey Me fully and keep My covenant, then out of all nations you will be My treasured possession. But after Saul had been king of Israel for a long time, he started to do things that God didn’t want him to do. But year after year went by and Hannah and her husband still didn’t have any children. Saul was made king because the Isrealites begged for a king. But God’s plan for Israel was not to let them be ‘like all the nations’! Israel Really Wants A King (Part I) by R.J. Moeller • November 22, 2013 I recently posted some thoughts at The Power Blog on “ God’s Problem With Centralized Power ”, which took a macro view of what I believe to be God’s clear disdain for mankind pursuing their own ends instead of His articulated purposes when it comes to how we organize ourselves communally. From last week ’ s people want a human king when they had the king of Israel ’ s.. 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